Hello,

I would like to know whether someone may give me a good advice for using
the best-suitable extension to manage groups of persons.

My requirements are those:

- a person has a few attributes such as name, address and photograph
(tt_address seems just fine)

- persons are part of one a more group (addressgroups seems just fine)

- groups are hierarchical:
-- A
¦-- B
`-- C
if I choose to display the group "A", in fact, I would like to get
*all* persons, both from A, B and C (this seems not to be allowed by
addressgroups)

- Persons are not only part of a group, they have a function in that
group, such as "President", "Manager" ,... (addressgroups seems not to
be able to deal with this)
- In addition, may persons may have the same function (such as "Public
Relationship") but with different responsabilities (for public group X,
public group Y, ...)
- I would like to be able to order functions in a group to get the
president at the top of the list, with a section <h#>President</h#> for
instance.

- I would like to display group XY on a page, but for each person it
would be really nice to get a link to a detailed view of the person's
properties to get, for instance, all groups she is member of.

Do you know a name for such an extension?

wec_staffdirectory seems to do this but I tried many months ago and it
seems that it did not support a person to be member of multiple groups,
leading me to be forced to recreate the person for each group she is
member of, that is not manageable.

If the answer is "do it yourself based on tt_address and addressbooks,
then that's OK but I do not want to reinvent the wheel if an existing
extension does it for me

Thanks for any advice.

Xavier Perseguers
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Xavier Perseguers wrote:

Hi,

> - a person has a few attributes such as name, address and photograph
> (tt_address seems just fine)
>
> - persons are part of one a more group (addressgroups seems just fine)

you do not need addressgroups anymore as it is integrated in tt_address

> - groups are hierarchical:
> -- A
> ¦-- B
> `-- C
> if I choose to display the group "A", in fact, I would like to get
> *all* persons, both from A, B and C (this seems not to be allowed by
> addressgroups)

should work with tt_address

> - Persons are not only part of a group, they have a function in that
> group, such as "President", "Manager" ,... (addressgroups seems not to
> be able to deal with this)
> - In addition, may persons may have the same function (such as "Public
> Relationship") but with different responsabilities (for public group X,
> public group Y, ...)
> - I would like to be able to order functions in a group to get the
> president at the top of the list, with a section <h#>President</h#> for
> instance.

This should be possible by using groups, too. You may then have a group
"President" with only one member...


> - I would like to display group XY on a page, but for each person it
> would be really nice to get a link to a detailed view of the person's
> properties to get, for instance, all groups she is member of.

This is in the making for tt_address - however no predictions when it
will be released.


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Hi Ingo,

Thanks for your answer. I'll use tt_address then.

Xavier


Ingo Renner wrote:
> Xavier Perseguers wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> - a person has a few attributes such as name, address and photograph
>> (tt_address seems just fine)
>>
>> - persons are part of one a more group (addressgroups seems just fine)
>
> you do not need addressgroups anymore as it is integrated in tt_address
>
>> - groups are hierarchical:
>> -- A
>> ¦-- B
>> `-- C
>> if I choose to display the group "A", in fact, I would like to get
>> *all* persons, both from A, B and C (this seems not to be allowed by
>> addressgroups)
>
> should work with tt_address
>
>> - Persons are not only part of a group, they have a function in that
>> group, such as "President", "Manager" ,... (addressgroups seems not to
>> be able to deal with this)
>> - In addition, may persons may have the same function (such as "Public
>> Relationship") but with different responsabilities (for public group X,
>> public group Y, ...)
>> - I would like to be able to order functions in a group to get the
>> president at the top of the list, with a section <h#>President</h#> for
>> instance.
>
> This should be possible by using groups, too. You may then have a group
> "President" with only one member...
>
>
>> - I would like to display group XY on a page, but for each person it
>> would be really nice to get a link to a detailed view of the person's
>> properties to get, for instance, all groups she is member of.
>
> This is in the making for tt_address - however no predictions when it
> will be released.
>
>
> Ingo
>


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Hi again,

> > - I would like to be able to order functions in a group to get the
> > president at the top of the list, with a section <h#>President</h#>
> > for instance.
>
> This should be possible by using groups, too. You may then have a
> group "President" with only one member...

I did it and:

> > - groups are hierarchical:
> > -- A
> > ¦-- B
> > `-- C
> > if I choose to display the group "A", in fact, I would like to get
> > *all* persons, both from A, B and C (this seems not to be allowed by
> > addressgroups)
>
> should work with tt_address

If I choose to display group A and set the "recursive" option to
infinite, I do not get anything (my members are in B and C).

> > - I would like to be able to order functions in a group to get the
> > president at the top of the list, with a section <h#>President</h#>
> > for instance.

If the "recursive" option worked at all, this would still not allow
persons to be grouped by their subgroup (and how may I choose manually
the order of display), then ordered by, e.g., lastname + firstname. The
current display plugin is much too limited for such requirements. Should
I implement a new plugin for display purpose?

>>> - a person has a few attributes such as name, address and photograph
>>> (tt_address seems just fine)

BTW, it would be nice to be able to extend a tt_address record with new
fields without having to modify the extension, such as mobile phone,
fax, ... (idea #1)

idea #2: How can I manage the groups in a hierarchical way? In List
mode, I only see a long list of groups but if I go the way creating a
group "President" for a function inside a real group, I'll have multiple
"President" groups, (I tried and it works) how may I "see" that group
"President" is a function (= subgroup) of group X and not of group Y ? I
only see it if I edit the record, this is not easy.

idea #3: Assigning groups to a person is useful, but assigning persons
to a group is too. Or at least, right click on the person and "Send to
group X/Y"
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Hi,

> BTW, it would be nice to be able to extend a tt_address record with
> new
> fields without having to modify the extension, such as mobile phone,
> fax, ... (idea #1)
>
> idea #2: How can I manage the groups in a hierarchical way? In List
> mode, I only see a long list of groups but if I go the way creating
> a ...
>
> idea #3: Assigning groups to a person is useful, but assigning
> persons ...

If your needs are much higher than what tt_address can handle, you
might want to take a look at the Partner Management Framework
(extension key: partner) which is designed to allow true person/
company management. I haven't tried it yet (still waiting for an
opportunity to do so , but it seems pretty impressive.

HTH

François Suter

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Hi François,

> If your needs are much higher than what tt_address can handle, you might
> want to take a look at the Partner Management Framework (extension key:
> partner) which is designed to allow true person/company management. I
> haven't tried it yet (still waiting for an opportunity to do so , but
> it seems pretty impressive.

I just read the documentation and it seems worse more than a quick look.
Thanks for the pointer.

Xavier Perseguers
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