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We are afraid it's a silly question, but we are stuck on it the last
days. We know workarounds, but something tells us there must be a
better, cleaner way.

Our problem is, that we'ld like to create a site template with an header
(with logo and menu level 1), a footer and an area where we can include
the different page (sub)templates.

This could be for example a subtemplate with 3 columns, where the left
one is a menu level 2, the middle a free content area (flexible content)
and the right for news and promotions. Or another subtemplate with 2
columns or one with 1 area etc. (See attchment for visualisation of the
problem)

It would be even more perfect if the 'end user' doesn't see the site
template, but only chooses between the page (sub)templates.
(Has this something to do with the default template?)

The way we interprete TV from the tutorials, is that you reapat the
header and footer part on each site template. But if there are 10 page
templates and you have to change the header, you have to do this on the
10 page templates, and with the system of the site tempalte with
different subtemplates, you only have to do this on one place.

We suspect that we see it probably not the right way, but maybe a little
hint can point us to the right direction on the global view of TV on this.

Thanks in advance!

Koen & Kris

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Hello Koen and Kris!

Am Dienstag, den 10.04.2007, 23:55 +0200 schrieb koen_gate74:
> We are afraid it's a silly question, but we are stuck on it the last
> days. We know workarounds, but something tells us there must be a
> better, cleaner way.
>
> Our problem is, that we'ld like to create a site template with an header
> (with logo and menu level 1), a footer and an area where we can include
> the different page (sub)templates.
>

Yes, that's a typical question for TemplaVoila. Did you do the
Futuristic Template Building Tutorial (FTB)? This would enlight you
right away ;-)

And your specific question is answered also.

> This could be for example a subtemplate with 3 columns, where the left
> one is a menu level 2, the middle a free content area (flexible content)
> and the right for news and promotions. Or another subtemplate with 2
> columns or one with 1 area etc. (See attchment for visualisation of the
> problem)
>
> It would be even more perfect if the 'end user' doesn't see the site
> template, but only chooses between the page (sub)templates.
> (Has this something to do with the default template?)
>
Yes, if you like to do it that way, this is a natural way of using
TemplaVoila. Template structures in TYPO3 are generally handed over to
sites below - so the editor only needs to use the default template for a
new site in order to use the same one that has been chosen "above".

Using TemplaVoila you can create Flexible Content Elements, which fully
substitute the normal TYPO3-Content Elements (i.e. text, text w/ pic,
etc.)

> The way we interprete TV from the tutorials, is that you reapat the
> header and footer part on each site template. But if there are 10 page
> templates and you have to change the header, you have to do this on the
> 10 page templates, and with the system of the site tempalte with
> different subtemplates, you only have to do this on one place.
>

No, you should create a basic page template with a sort of "grid" where
you can put in your specific content elements with everything needed to
fulfil the task of showing the content in the desired way. So you are
able to create a "wrapper" for the different Flexible Content Elements
you create additionally to the first page template. Different Flexible
Content Elements can be chosen by the editors on a "per page basis" or
within each page - thats up to you. You can even "slide" content
elements down the line in order to put content on the site, where the
editor has chosen not to use or put own content in.

But I think the key point to you is, that you create some sort of
Master-Template first and additional Flexible Content Elements (FCE)
with the desired behavior (3 columns, 2 columns, 1 column - whatever)
for your Editors. The editor creates then new sites by chosing the
default template (your "grid") and then the FCE from what he needs to
use for this specific page.

> We suspect that we see it probably not the right way, but maybe a little
> hint can point us to the right direction on the global view of TV on this.
>

I really recommend doing the FTB-Tutorial - you will understand each
point of your questions within about 3 hours. In this tutorial there is
an explanation to create "content areas", in which FCE can be used by
editors. Where you create content areas in your specific template is
completly your decision - is that the missing link?

HTH,
best regards,
Miriam

--
torbeck.de
Miriam Torbeck
Schillerstr. 40
22848 Norderstedt
Telefon: 040-94361777
mailto:miriam (AT) torbeck (DOT) de

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Miriam Torbeck wrote:
> Hello Koen and Kris!
>
> Am Dienstag, den 10.04.2007, 23:55 +0200 schrieb koen_gate74:
>> We are afraid it's a silly question, but we are stuck on it the last
>> days. We know workarounds, but something tells us there must be a
>> better, cleaner way.
>>
>> Our problem is, that we'ld like to create a site template with an header
>> (with logo and menu level 1), a footer and an area where we can include
>> the different page (sub)templates.
>>
>
> Yes, that's a typical question for TemplaVoila. Did you do the
> Futuristic Template Building Tutorial (FTB)? This would enlight you
> right away ;-)
>
> And your specific question is answered also.
>
>> This could be for example a subtemplate with 3 columns, where the left
>> one is a menu level 2, the middle a free content area (flexible content)
>> and the right for news and promotions. Or another subtemplate with 2
>> columns or one with 1 area etc. (See attchment for visualisation of the
>> problem)
>>
>> It would be even more perfect if the 'end user' doesn't see the site
>> template, but only chooses between the page (sub)templates.
>> (Has this something to do with the default template?)
>>
> Yes, if you like to do it that way, this is a natural way of using
> TemplaVoila. Template structures in TYPO3 are generally handed over to
> sites below - so the editor only needs to use the default template for a
> new site in order to use the same one that has been chosen "above".
>
> Using TemplaVoila you can create Flexible Content Elements, which fully
> substitute the normal TYPO3-Content Elements (i.e. text, text w/ pic,
> etc.)
>
>> The way we interprete TV from the tutorials, is that you reapat the
>> header and footer part on each site template. But if there are 10 page
>> templates and you have to change the header, you have to do this on the
>> 10 page templates, and with the system of the site tempalte with
>> different subtemplates, you only have to do this on one place.
>>
>
> No, you should create a basic page template with a sort of "grid" where
> you can put in your specific content elements with everything needed to
> fulfil the task of showing the content in the desired way. So you are
> able to create a "wrapper" for the different Flexible Content Elements
> you create additionally to the first page template. Different Flexible
> Content Elements can be chosen by the editors on a "per page basis" or
> within each page - thats up to you. You can even "slide" content
> elements down the line in order to put content on the site, where the
> editor has chosen not to use or put own content in.
>
> But I think the key point to you is, that you create some sort of
> Master-Template first and additional Flexible Content Elements (FCE)
> with the desired behavior (3 columns, 2 columns, 1 column - whatever)
> for your Editors. The editor creates then new sites by chosing the
> default template (your "grid") and then the FCE from what he needs to
> use for this specific page.
>
>> We suspect that we see it probably not the right way, but maybe a little
>> hint can point us to the right direction on the global view of TV on this.
>>
>
> I really recommend doing the FTB-Tutorial - you will understand each
> point of your questions within about 3 hours. In this tutorial there is
> an explanation to create "content areas", in which FCE can be used by
> editors. Where you create content areas in your specific template is
> completly your decision - is that the missing link?
>
> HTH,
> best regards,
> Miriam
>

Hi Miriam,

Thanks again for your good advice.
We are now up and running with Templavoila. ))

A good lesson we learned:
Don't start guessing and thinking too far before you totaly finish the
tutorial. ))))

Kind regards,
Kris & Koen
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